It's been an adventure but I'm saying goodbye....

[DLHMG]

Well this has been an interesting experience and I want to thank those of you that have been kind enough to offer help and advice along the way. I'm sure that there is money to be made but the time involved is just way too much for me.

I have only one criticism and that is that things aren't really laid out in a clear step by step manner. What needs to be done is very much in that fashion, but the "how" of each step is quite vague....at least for me....maybe I'm just stupid!

I did manage to get one site up Camping For Families….A New Kind Of Vacation but I'm just at a loss for where to go from there. Start linking? How and where? Submit articles, rewrite articles....buy this program, join that program. It seems to me that much like many programs it's step one....step two....step three....then fall off the continental shelf. Frankly I don't have the time to read and absorb a 405 page manual in addition to the other manuals not to mention that I need a little something called sleep! Although my site has made $1.81 I don't know if that may be because I inadvertently clicked a couple of ads without thinking or if it's because someone actually visited my site. I entered the url with google and dmoz and that's it. I went to insnare and rumorist and frankly was quite lost as to how all of that tied in.

I don't mean to go into a negative rant, for me personally, I can't justify the $97 per month against the time involved. With all due respect, the quality of the articles are hardly worth anything close to that amount of money. Having to rewrite them makes them worth that much less! Perhaps I'll join PLR Free and see if I can find or figure out what it is that I may have missed. At one point in my journey I came upon a spread sheet that listed search engines that I could submit to, but I've never come upon it since, I assumed that it would show up again at some logical point in the training but it didn't seem to be the case or perhaps I came upon it way too soon.....I really don't know.

Now I know that some of you will take this opportunity to tell one another how little I realize or perhaps that I'm a typical negative thinker or perhaps even worse. I hope you don't, as I have tremendous respect for those among you that can figure out these things that I can't seem to, and I wish all of you great success with this project.

I have, in fact, learned a very valuable lesson here. In my heart I've always known that there is really NO next great thing and most people out there are just trying to sell each next great thing to a list without even knowing what that thing is. So now I know that, not just in my heart, but also in my head as well. So now at last I can use the internet without the anxiety of trying to figure out how to earn an income from it. I'll use it the way most people use it. For information, communication and enjoyment.

Again, I wish all of you the very best in this endeavor.

[cobwab]

Hi,

Sorry to see you go.

What you said makes a lot of sense. There is a big hole in this system - it's called support; most calls for help are ignored. Or you get platitudes about adjusting your focus and screwing your attitude to the sticking point. The forum has tried to supply the missing pieces, but it has at best been spotty and piecemeal.

It's sink or swim and the devil take the hindmost. I think most people are sinking when you look at all the requests for help in the forum. I don't think the videos are cutting it. They assume that you already know a heap of background knowledge. Noobies are just lost. Some don't even know how to take a screen shot. And then there's Wordpress, a great piece of software, but pretty complex for beginners, let alone MYSQL db. How many know that it stand for Structured Query Language and even if they did, what is it? We're lucky it's hidden inside Wordpress and we don't have to use it.

It always amazes me when I see people who have been on board for over six months and have never put up a site. You did very well to get a site up in a month. It requires a lot of very time consuming detailed work. Ask Steve, the Champ. It's a full time job for him, 24/7/365.

Good Luck and if you find something better, Skype me.

[Kangaroo Jack]

DLHMG,

Sorry to see you go. People have been successful using the system so it does work. Steve is testament to that. It is hard work putting the sites up and no one said success would come overnight. But I’m sure you know that.

Well the articles I somewhat agree with you. The articles need to be rewritten so there is no duplicate content on the web. Google hates this. Even though English is my first language I do struggle with it and it certainly takes me a while to redo an article.

I think joining free PLRPro is a good step forward for you and good luck.


Cobwab,

You mentioned it amazes you that people have been around for six months before undertaking the challenge. May be, just may be they are doing their research before taking the plunge.

Every board I have visited I take the time to read current and past posts. This gives me an insight and does answer a lot of my questions rather than piss the people off. On this board you ARE lucky to have your questions answered. I can assure you that 99% of other boards would have told you in no uncertain terms where to jump off. Believe me that has happened to me as well. A hard lesson learnt.

This should be a sticky somewhere for everyone to read

Before posting a question PLEASE do a search first. More than likely your question has been asked and answered many times before. This will better utilized people who wish to help you. Steve and other members are here to help and are more than willing to do so, but please remember they are trying to make some money as well. So try not to tie them up for hours on end.

If you feel there is a huge gap by all means write a step-by-step guide to help newcomers. I'm certain people will appreciate this gesture.

[golfer57]

Hello,
First thing is that I just wanted to tell you your site looks good for your first one. I would do a couple things, but that is neither here nor there.
I tend to agree with some of the things that you say, step by step with links to where you need to go would be helpful for sure. I am sorry to see you leave with a sour taste in your mouth is not good. But sometimes those things happen.
I hope you find something that works for you, because obviously you have a dream and nothing happens until first a dream. So keep searching and you will find it. Don't ever stop looking, it is out there.
Good luck and I wish you the best,
Steve

[cobwab]

Hi David,

Did I step on someones's toes?

T T.

Should we be writing manuals to fill the "gap"?:???:

The search option is not that great. Many times I put in "Installer" and it refused to search; said I needed a min of four words. Then, other times it accepted one word.

[Kangaroo Jack]

Cobwad,

I have small feet so it’s unlikely

M&D will probably slap me for this. I believe new people should get the free PLRPro and play around. You will learn so much by doing this.

I have been doing SEO for some 2 years and I can get number 1 position with some ease and with hard work for keywords/phrases. However all that means naught if there is no traffic associated with that keyword/phrase. That is what taught me by playing around! In the pack there are long tail keywords/phrases to use. I have just mentioned some aspects of what I have learnt by playing around.

I don’t see why you couldn’t write a step-by-step guide. You will be helping others by laying out your experience or lack of, in which case you could mention that reading up on a certain subject would have helped you, and suggest others do the same and provide a link to where you got the information.

I don’t think it was intentional to leave out aspects or steps. One needs to learn Wordpress. Then one should read the manual and go to the forum for Wordpress. If someone doesn’t know how to set up their DNS then they should ask support where their domain is hosted for help.

If I gave a site that earns $500 to someone that has absolutely no experience and tell them to duplicate it. I’m sure 99.99% of people would fail. Here we are given a plan and that plan is certainly associated with growing pains. Sure all this is very time consuming to learn BUT it has to be learnt. That’s why I suggest that people play around first. They can do the 90DC plan in 120 or 180 days.

We all have limited time that we can spend on the boards to help each other. I don’t think people are showing enough initiative and some expect to be spoon feed.

As to the search option all I can say is I never had a problem.

So there is no confusion none of this is personally directed at you.

[cobwab]

Hi David,

Thankyou for that post.

Very good advice. We should all take it to heart.:-D

[DLHMG]

First I'd like to thank all of you for your kind comments instead of flames about what I wrote. I know that typically, in any program, people just vanish and that's the end of it.

My post was in no way meant to be a negative diatribe about PLRPro or did I insinuate that no one could make money. It certainly wasn't my intention to stir up any anger among any members. It sincerely is my hope that all of you that have the time and desire, do succeed with this endeavor.

I received what I assume to be a form email from Daniel today to make sure that I actually did cancel my membership and that it was not an error on the part of paypal. As he stated in his email, "First if you didn't cancel your membership, don't worry, we've been having some issues with Paypal just reply back and we'll get it sorted for you"....sorry Daniel, but I find a statement like that to be an insulting attempt to get someone to rethink their decision. I don't mean to be rude to you about that, but a simple "sorry to see you go" would have gone a long way in my book in having me rejoin at some point in time. You go on to ask what I feel what could be changed to make PLRPro, essentially a better product.

I think I said it in my original post but I'll try and clarify as best I can.

A step by step plan of what needs to be done is great. But you are clearly missing the "how do you do each step and in what order" is missing. For $97 a month, I don't feel that anyone should have to take the time to fish through the entire formum hoping to find the answer. It is not the responsiblilty of a member to provide other members with appropriate instructions pertaining to how to complete a task. It's the responsibility of the people who are receiving everyone's hard earned $97 month after month.

In fact, and I'll direct this to Daniel, you state several times in your 8 principles, that you should not spend time in the forums when you should be working. This in itself creates a dicotomy, if the answers exist in the forums, then I MUST spend time in the forums to find the HOW that is so lacking.

It would seem to me that if I am looking for clues and hints on how to best use adsense, the best place to find that information is directly from google adsense. If I am going to sprend what precious little time I have sorting through forums, it would seem to me that answers which come directly from google would serve me far better then those coming from members who may or may not have the correct information.

I also feel that you should have different levels of membership. If you are charging $97 per month for articles that HAVE to be re-written, perhaps you could charge $25 for providing niche topics, $45 for providing niche topics and topics for individual articles within that niche. Writing a 400-500 word article is not that time consuming from scratch and from what I've seen I don't think it would produce an inferior end result.

The audio portions of your camtasia videos are absolutely horrible! I was almost prepared to send back a top of the line Lenovo laptop before I discovered the same audio problems on several other systems available to me, as well as, using different browsers. Perhaps you should consider having these done as wmv files instead. In video as well as audio so they can be converted to CD for listening in the car.

Those are what I see as problems with PLRPro.....the HOW TO being the most important. In any endeavor, knowing WHAT has to be done is the simple part. Knowing HOW is what people pay for. To expect the HOW to come from your members is bad business.

When I walk into a restaurant I know WHAT I'd like to have for dinner. What I don't know HOW to do, is prepare it. That's why I pay a check at the end of the meal. I don't ask the patron at the next table HOW he made the meal he's eating. This may seem like a silly analogy at first glance, but it is what your program offers.

I'm sorry for going very negative here. I KNOW that this kind of adsense system can work. Finding out HOW will take me just as long on my own. Case in point, I mentioned in my first post about a spread sheet listing search directories and alluded to not understanding how sites like isnare and rumorist tie things together. I can hunt and peck through forums here and browse 400 page pdfs while spending nearly $100 every month, or I can do my own research and my gut feeling is that the end result of time spent would be very close. The only difference being $100 out of pocket.

When I wrote my first post saying goodbye, I did have in the back of my mind, the desire to give PLRPro another go at a point in time better suited to me. The canned auto-repsonse upon cancellation has changed all that. I do, however, wish all of you the very best.

Best regards to all,
David

[cobwab]

Hi David,

As I said before, we are sorry to see you go and your comments are bang on.

You will be sorely missed.

We always need members of your calibre.

[Davex]

Hi David

I don’t know whether you will read this post, because you’re not a member anymore.

I see you were a member for one month and already you sound like you just joined to become a critic ( why not do a website on criticism) Don’t get me wrong everyone is entitled to their own views.

The system does have some loop holes and something’s do need improving, but you should have given Marc and Dan a chance they are improving the system every day.

Rather than direct criticism you could have put your points across to them, they are constantly asking for ideas, and you did have some good points. The answers would probably have helped a lot of the members get over the initial confusion.

Anyway I have been with Plrpro for about four months, yes depending on finance $97.00 per month is a lot but you are paying for a system that’s not only legal white hat but is also proven to work, if you work it? Remember each member will have a different learning curve.

I like to have everything in place it has taken me this long to nearly complete one site. Baby Toddler Supplies

I see it took you a few weeks, you should have carried on until your adsense and affiliate income paid for your membership then you could have relaxed and build them at your leisure.

On another note good luck David I hope you find what you are looking for, but for well made Plr websites you will be hard push to find anything as good as Plrpro.com.

This is my view

All the best
Dave